@sherrod, now I have to get my (@sundaybest) pain pills and take a double dose, because you have her spirit.You are MIA for a few days then you come back with these 1-2 HIT you in the FACE sentences and it gives me a headache!No matter how hurt you are you don't put what happened in your marriage out in the streets. If the marriage is over and you've moved on then leave it alone. Deitrick just tanked his own career in gospel music. Everybody knows gospel artist sleep with each other, but you don't call names. That's the number one rule.Looking back at it when Kierra said her friends couldn't stay at her house it seems like she always knew Jordan was/ is the problem, but wanted to pretend like it was her friends. I get Kierra has had some insecurities, but it's time to grow up. What Jordan is alleged to be doing is dangerous for her and her daughter.Pastor John Gray of Relentless Church in Greenville, South Carolina made big headlines in 2018. In February of last year, Gray, who served as a pastor at Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas, took over as pastor of Redemption Church, which he renamed Relentless.of the Gospel Tea Family Happy Mother's Day 2. you...far as I'm concern everyday is Mother's Day. I'll be back to answer the questions to me..if somebody. else don't answer...I'll be back @ my Sister CleoJo69. I'm in the bed heartsick.. .one of my Sisters friends husband.Feb 14, 2024 · The Pace Sisters have “When God Is In The Building” and that’s their biggest song but it didn’t reach the level of You Brought The Sunshine. As Jacky and Karen said “everyone is a legend these days” lol And Dorinda and Karen had crushes from fans and admirers and still to this day!! lol People call them fine! James Moore was conning and scamming up and down Highway 57. Conning folks to take second mortgages on homes. Laying up with women, making them think they were together just to grab the cash and head to the next gig. The last time I saw James Moore, he was blind - but he sang the stank out of that storefront church.So, Kee’s new project, Tribute to A Legend, Rance Allen, Chapter Two, is a labor of love to the gospel singer, pastor, and bishop in the Church of God in Christ, who became a father figure to Kee. The album finds Kee interpreting Rance Allen Group classics with the aid of artists like Caleb Sean and Frank McComb.2024 the year of exposing is ongoing. Vincent Terrill Hill, also known as Buddha, breaks his silence in a powerful apology and exposé, revealing the truth behind his 15-year journey with Larry Reid of Larry Reid Live. Addressing his complicity through silence, Vincent shares a deeply personal narrative of spiritual abuse, manipulation, and the ...@sundaybest, I was attending during J O Patterson's era and that's when they were having the BACK HOME HOUR, Bishop O T Jones, Jr was the originator of those late-night services.The Saints would be coming in the Cook Convention Center as early as 5-5:30 in the morning on official day. They would be there for Sunday school and have …Larry Reid went live last night and discussed Cora and her husband’s divorce. He insinuated that it is something low down and horrific but he did not want to say anything until he had the paperwork. He asked the viewers to Google his name and see if any charges have been brought up against her husband. He was clearly insinuating the …Y. Rashida Tlaib: No more policing, incarceration, and militarization. It can't be reformed. She's insane if she is advocating for prison abolishment. What should we then do with violent criminals aka murderers, rapists, …There’s always a chance that he could be doing this on his own will though. From the stuff I’ve seen him do, he SEEMS like he genuinely wants to do what he’s doing. The little “ministering” that he does really doesn’t seem forced at all. I could be wrong though. Even the grandson doesn’t seem like he’s being forced.Larry was the one that lied and said a lady had been raped at house of hope a year or two before he began reporting on it. He reported on it for a year, posting what he said were receipts and everything.Oct 28, 2016 · mother Boone and mother Shaw use to do odd things and speak in unique tongues. The Baptist people who watch their YouTube clips probably things it’s so weird LOL. Bishop Mason use to do very strange things. In fact, a lot of people accused him of practicing some type of African voodoo in his ministry. Lol like sir you didn’t pay the walls group or sir the baptist aren’t you the same person who tried to blackball the walls groups. Got their music pulled from the radio. Just stop saying it’s about gospel and say it’s about money and exposure. and for the last time MAVERICK CITY is not Gospel.mother Boone and mother Shaw use to do odd things and speak in unique tongues. The Baptist people who watch their YouTube clips probably things it’s so weird LOL. Bishop Mason use to do very strange things. In fact, a lot of people accused him of practicing some type of African voodoo in his ministry.Beware! There isn’t much time left to apply for Startup Alley. Take advantage of this opportunity before it’s too late. When you purchase a ticket for Startup Alley, you can opt in...I look here and the news subforum and didn't see this posted. If it was, my apologies: Florida sports bar will ask customers to leave if they wear a...Determined early-stage startup founders (are there really any other kind?) always keep a sharp eye out for advantages that help them build better and faster. Well, heads up folks b...Bishop Charles Blake, the Los Angeles-based presiding bishop of the six-million-strong Church of God in Christ, says he has finally had enough of the charges from Pastor Earl Carter. Mr. Carter s misconduct is extreme, outrageous, and beyond all bounds of decency, Blake said in newly filed court papers.Any GOSPEL tea???? (Part II) Thread starter T.O.P; Start date Mar 25, 2011; Forums. Religion and Spirituality. Pimp Slap Forum . Status Not open for further replies. ... Meet me in the back alley any time. T. ticktock. Bench Warmer. Joined Apr 8, 2013 Messages 23 Alleybux 375,758 Apr 18, 2013 #3,333 NCGirl4Life said:Good morning, Quartz readers! Good morning, Quartz readers! Donald Trump banned TikTok and WeChat… The US president barred transactions with the two apps or their respective Chines...Gospel singer James Fortune has entered a guilty plea for the felony charge of domestic violence, according to the Fort Bend County District Attorney’s office. Prosecutors say he was sentenced to ten years in prison on Tuesday but it was suspended for five years while he is under the supervision of the court.The gospel community has rallied around McLemore in recent months, including a benefit concert in April at Houston’s Community of Faith church and more. In April, singer James Fortune spoke to McLemore and announced he was donating $7,500 for McLemore as he underwent health challenges.Yes it was a shame John P Kee didnt go to their funeral. But Darryl talked about John P Kee Preying on him instead. of Praying 4 him ...The word was John got cursed after. he left Carlton Pearson Service...they said he almost died. Welp he was their for Carlton about not Darryl or Daddy Rance.Any GOSPEL tea???? (Part II) Thread starter T.O.P; Start date Mar 25, 2011; Forums. Religion and Spirituality. Pimp Slap Forum . Status Not open for further replies. ... Meet me in the back alley any time. T. ticktock. Bench Warmer. Joined Apr 8, 2013 Messages 23 Alleybux 375,758 Apr 18, 2013 #3,333 NCGirl4Life said:Jan 13, 2024 · The situation with the Daniels family is unfortunate. I think the major issues are the issue of pride and the love of money. The Daniels family seem to be so upset because they believe they were owed something from the church because of their financial success and accomplishments in the business world, which are impressive. William gets stuff wrong all of the time, then he gets mad when when you correct him or call him out on it. He needs to report it after all the leaders have been announced. This is from her own clothing line. When Karen had shoulders out on a cruise the saints, even the young ones, threw a fit.Racism is a countrywide issue. You may be able to minimize it by trying to travel to certain progressive cities where there's more accountability about it, but you …Not a cover charge :cry::LOL: I was born COGIC but my parents were lead elsewhere. Some of my fam is still COGIC though. My god-sister and went to the youth retreat and she called it "The church of God in cash". I was briefly cogic again for a few years but not now. Yup, that's what one...I just dont believe gospel artist really get those lucrative contracts. People like, Kirk, Hez, John P. Kee and Fred Hammind have been able to stand the test of time. But some others, not so much. Karen and Dorinda branched out into solo careers. Dont think Jacky had as much success as a solo artist.Having a warm cup of tea before bed can be comforting and can put an individual in the right state of mind before drifting off to sleep. Having a warm cup of tea before bed can be ...Apr 17, 2024 · Yes it was a shame John P Kee didnt go to their funeral. But Darryl talked about John P Kee Preying on him instead. of Praying 4 him ...The word was John got cursed after. he left Carlton Pearson Service...they said he almost died. Welp he was their for Carlton about not Darryl or Daddy Rance. Gospel Tea Family..In Regards to Marvin (who I know) I wasn't speaking of his voice. There's nothing wrong with it to me..He's still one of my favorite male singers though I can't stand him I was very close to My Gurl Mom Winans View attachment 4311795 We kept in contact on the phone..I started distancing myself..When I saw how they were defending her Grandson View attachment 4311796 in that ...2,728 107 2. Alleybux. 289,375. Jun 18, 2011. #1,234. sammyjae said: ok lsa gospel tea brewers: I was on youtube and saw clips of dee showell funeral. The big name in gospel came out and supported the family. It amazes how i …So, Kee’s new project, Tribute to A Legend, Rance Allen, Chapter Two, is a labor of love to the gospel singer, pastor, and bishop in the Church of God in Christ, who became a father figure to Kee. The album finds Kee interpreting Rance Allen Group classics with the aid of artists like Caleb Sean and Frank McComb.Feb 17, 2024 · 2024 the year of exposing is ongoing. Vincent Terrill Hill, also known as Buddha, breaks his silence in a powerful apology and exposé, revealing the truth behind his 15-year journey with Larry Reid of Larry Reid Live. Addressing his complicity through silence, Vincent shares a deeply personal narrative of spiritual abuse, manipulation, and the ... When you think of makeup, you think of lipstick—lipstick and blush, probably. Lipstick is a cornerstone of everyone’s beauty routine and an essential to every beauty bag. It’s one ...Karlton probably doesn't have a case, but the way he's going about it he's setting up a good case for the manager to sue him. Karlton said the manager was stealing from him for years; but was the manager really stealing or was he giving him money outside of his contract that is now being considered as gifts/bonuses or did he not understand …It is going to take a COMMITMENT, of a TRUSTING, CARING and LOVING VILLAGE, to help raise these beautiful children! Jaime has a double task, grieving for himself and for the children. They will need GRIEF COUNSELING and a LOT of LOVE, PRAY and PATIENCE!!! 1.Gospel and blues music and songs of the civil rights movement have roots in slave spirituals, songs of sorrow, but jubilation at the idea of freedom. Advertisement When enslaved Af...At the end of his sermon he broke down in tears and the family came up to embrace him. Her sisters were hurting but they managed to bring the house down. Mama Bettye was emotional of course (especially during the processional) but she held on and sang and gave God his due praise. That was a true homegoing for a saint.yelling Hang in their Dee Dee if he don't make it you will get it all don't divorce him. He was knocking at Death door and she Dee Dee stayed right their and took care of him. and yea yaw'll right come down so hard on his Girls when he was sampling another. flavor of Pie.@strykerguy, look what I came across, I think I was at this recording.The woman who is directing is Carol Antrom, she also wrote the song. She was just honored in Philly in December at one of our prestigious music halls, The Kimmel.Dec 23, 2023 · 250,720. Alleybux. 22,287. Mar 25, 2023. #16,126. I don't know, I've watched both episodes and Grown and Gospel and I feel like the show is struggling for a story line. I figured from the beginning Fred Hammond's daughter was going to be the focal point and the one on the outskirts after the rest of the cast sat up in the restaurant at Coney ... I don't care what nobody say. I'm from the old school..and I know this is a new day..But the Bible say Jesus the same yesterday today etc he never change people do. Like my Late Uncle Bishop Q.C use to say these some strange saints now days. a lot of the thangs they do we didnt do in my day. W.H In my day either Uncle Q...I just think we …Walter Hawkins said: Soul Singer & Former Gospel Singer Billy Preston was a known pedophile. He was arrested in 1991 at his home in Malibu California 4 investigation of sexually assaulting a 16 year old boy and cocaine possesion. The 16 year old boy reported the Singer offered him a ride.Apr 7, 2024 · 23,596. Yesterday at 10:10 PM. #21,763. Now I don't know who asked for this but, here it goes The Preachers are BACK! Stars from the hit reality TV series “Preachers of LA” are back for “Preachers Reunion.”. April 9 the cast of Preachers of LA will air a 10 yr reunion special hosted by Kym Whitley. ——————. Noel Jones ... Jesus only is the apostolic church. They believe you are not saved unless you have been water baptized and the preacher says in Jesus name. Other than that they are very similar to COGIC. They are no where near as big as COGIC. I think there is a little jealousy. Because COGIC is so much more...Oct 28, 2016 · "The Father of Contemporary Gospel" (1943-2018)-----For nearly five decades, this multi-talented, multiple Grammy award winner remained in the forefront of gospel music by continually transforming the genre and attracting new audiences. He is the man who recorded one of the biggest, crossover gospel hit records of all time in 1969, “Oh Happy ... Yolanda Adams put a bullet through the head of Gospel Music when she recorded the song with Bone thugs N Harmony. Hezekiah beat it lifeless with a blunt object when he sang back-up to a KRS-1 song. Kirk Franklin strangled gospel music by the neck when he collaborated with George Clinton and Bono (the homo).Back in the early 2000s she did an interview with one of the BET Sunday morning gospel shows and that's when I stopped liking her. Her attitude was horrible and she has no humility at all. Sunday's Best she was unbearable; you could tell that even Yolanda Adams didn't like her.So yeah Steve you can relate. But when you hurt someone, you do not get to tell them that you didn’t. If I were his son’s friend, I would have told him not to do it this way. But hurt people, do things that a lot of times do not make sense. Again Kirk was apologizing to his listeners who buy his gospel music. 2.Nov 29, 2023 · Trinity Temple C.O.G.I.C. on Reels | Trinity Temple C.O.G.I.C. · Original audio | Reels They make a cute couple I think. I grew up with him in the Jurisdiction under his late father... We were always cool. They really do make a cute couple and if you know his story, to see him come full... They all seem shady at this point. If someone is in the hospital for two weeks, then everything is not okay. Granted, they have no obligation to put their private business in the streets. But a simple, "keep my sister in your prayers" would have sufficed. But the shadiness and and basically...I am His child, my Mother Jessie Jimerson-Phillip, was His child, & His servant; my Dad, James O. Patterson Sr. Was his child, & servant.. It was My Mom’s prayer, that He spare her daughter, and give her a long, healthy, & prosperous life. In the land of the living. And that his mercies be upon her.The situation with the Daniels family is unfortunate. I think the major issues are the issue of pride and the love of money. The Daniels family seem to be so upset because they believe they were owed something from the church because of their financial success and accomplishments in the business world, which are impressive.Where is tornado alley and why do so many tornadoes form there? Advertisement There are few sights in nature more terrifying than a powerful tornado. These violently rotating colum...I realize it was probably cumbersome for the mods, but liked it better when people could just post asking for tea because the thread was actually searchable on Reddit and people could add tea as it spilled. This setup forces you to look at every single post in the thread every week to find info on whom you're interested. Reply reply. more reply.Good presentation on the camera means everything! I know the Gospel Tea Church, is going to silence me, but y'all know to blame it on my ADD! 1 Nana Peazant Obeah Woman. Joined Jun 23, 2010 Messages 55,549 ... Lipstick Alley Bloggers. I hate how we can't discuss the difficulties of finding female friendships without being dismissed …"The Father of Contemporary Gospel" (1943-2018)-----For nearly five decades, this multi-talented, multiple Grammy award winner remained in the forefront of gospel music by continually transforming the genre and attracting new audiences. He is the man who recorded one of the biggest, crossover gospel hit records of all time in 1969, “Oh Happy ...When this Mother. said he locked the office door on her. in his office. I though OH God that confirm what James. use to tell me about Bishop J.O Patterson and Frances Kelly and other women would be. doing ungodly things in the Bishop's office. Do You notice that mother never talk about the slutty men's of the church.Things seem to be unfolding in Denita’s favor until an unsuspecting young woman on the rise with a checkered past enters the scene. Destined and anointed to challenge gospel music conventions, Rbel, also a former exotic dancer, will see if her new-found voice can carry her to the top of the gospel kingdom.Apr 18, 2021. #4,796. misspeanut said: JM is gay as a picnic basket. His fans are in denial. That’s what the sissies tell me. They are usually right about 99.999% of the time. Hunny, they know their family members. If we made a list of every male gospel artist, almost everyone live that lifestyle as an open secret, or on the DL married with kids.Can you say what celebs you’ve noticed have cleaners on lipstick alley? I swear the karjenners have a few on that site.Duranice was just warm, anointed, and talented woman. She'll be missed. I know the Sisters got to be hurting. Losing a loved one is like loosing a limb, you'll live but you'll never be the same. Rest In Peace Duranice. I hope this weighs heavily on Steve Harvey's mind and her Ex-Husband since he's alive.Karlton probably doesn't have a case, but the way he's going about it he's setting up a good case for the manager to sue him. Karlton said the manager was stealing from him for years; but was the manager really stealing or was he giving him money outside of his contract that is now being considered as gifts/bonuses or did he not understand the contract he signed?Oct 28, 2016 · mother Boone and mother Shaw use to do odd things and speak in unique tongues. The Baptist people who watch their YouTube clips probably things it’s so weird LOL. Bishop Mason use to do very strange things. In fact, a lot of people accused him of practicing some type of African voodoo in his ministry. One popular makeup brand is really leaning into celebrating National Lipstick Day By clicking "TRY IT", I agree to receive newsletters and promotions from Money and its partners. I...Just like the female gospel singers really want the attention and fame of an R&B singer, I believe the pastors and male gospel singers want the same. Notice how they move like the toxic industry celebs. They hide behind the church and Bible, so they marry quick to keep the conversation regarding their infidelities and fornication quiet.All the prayer warriors on here and I know we have some BUM BOARDING HEAVEN PRAYER WARRIORS in this Lipstick Alley, Gospel Tea Church!!! "HOLY GHOST" give STRENGTH, BUILD UP and RENEW our @Walter Hawkins, speak PEACE RIGHT NOW, the PEACE that surpasseth ALL understanding! "I BELIEVE G-D!" Love …Soo I just wanted to let y' all know that Denise Clark Bradford has been caught in some lies. 1. She said that nobody has contacted her about the movie, and she has not been consulted when Dr. Holly Carter who is EP of the film has said that they have contacted her several times as well as the sisters with phone calls, emails, and she told …For more information on The Well Experience, please visit www.TWEConference.com or follow the hashtag #TWE2019. To learn more about Pastor Keion Henderson visit www.KeionHenderson.com. To interview Pastor Keion or any of the speakers and artists, please contact Arnaecia Alridge at [email protected] or call 1-833-5-FAMOUS.Oct 27, 2016 · Gospel artist Shea Norman of Memphis dead at 45Oct. 27, 2017 Condolences flooded social media Friday over the loss of Shea Norman, a gospel singer and Memphis native whose voice many said would soothe the soul. Family and associates confirmed Norman's Thursday death at the age of 45. On Monday, November 7, 2011, Pastor Gibson was consecrated by the Presiding Bishop, Charles E. Blake Sr., and the General Board of the Church Of God In Christ, Inc. as the Prelate (Chief Bishop) of the Dominican Republic Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction. This auspicious event was held in St. Louis, Missouri at the 104th Holy …I just dont believe gospel artist really get those lucrative contracts. People like, Kirk, Hez, John P. Kee and Fred Hammind have been able to stand the test of time. But some others, not so much. Karen and Dorinda branched out into solo careers. Dont think Jacky had as much success as a solo artist.Soo I just wanted to let y' all know that Denise Clark Bradford has been caught in some lies. 1. She said that nobody has contacted her about the movie, and she has not been consulted when Dr. Holly Carter who is EP of the film has said that they have contacted her several times as well as the sisters with phone calls, emails, and she told them she was unavailable.“The issue I am stressing is people with mental illness do not go on a toxic national TV programs that thrives in toxic behaviors. This is what I have an issue with.” “Kerrion decisions are based upon validation and seeking fame/notoriety, it has nothing to do with healing his mental health. If he was on a healing mental health journey, he would …Does anyone know when he is expected to be released? Felons have to have a home to go to, right? I would hate for Dorinda to have a hardened convicted ex-con in her house. Yeah I know, it is Dorinda's house and not mine. Nikki alway indicate her husband is coming home soon. And I believe her...The gospel recording industry isn't as looks conscious as other music genres which is why some secular artists made the switch after being rejecting in other markets. I always felt that's what Fantasia and Jennifer Hudson will eventually do once their buzz totally fizzles out. They both have gospel rooted voices. 5.Any GOSPEL tea? (Part IV) Thread starter misspeanut; Start date Oct 27, 2016; ... Lipstick Alley Bloggers. News Alley. 37-year-old Kaysone Sky Blossom robbed & stabbed a 17-year-old to death over a purse at the Galleria Houston. Started by Mr. Biggs; 12 minutes ago; Replies: 1; Murder Alley.I know he love me and just talking out of his head...He took it bad about our family friend being murder...I'll be in touch with you Sis when I'm better give my Babies a kiss (ur babies) From Auntie Walter Love U Sis. Keep Praying for me and your niece (my daughter) P.S Thank U U r right I am much stronger than I know.
Gospel artist Shea Norman of Memphis dead at 45Oct. 27, 2017 Condolences flooded social media Friday over the loss of Shea Norman, a gospel singer and Memphis native whose voice many said would soothe the soul. Family and associates confirmed Norman's Thursday death at the age of 45.. Cleveland clinic urgent care wooster
He left Slave to form his own group Steve Arrington's Hall Of Fame. A few years after that he got saved on the streets of New York City. He had a song out in the mid 1980's called "Dancin' In The Key Of Life." P.S. Steve Arrington left the music business for several years to study in the Ministry. This is my first time hearing this! It's still up, not sure why it won't post. Jives did a deep dive on the COGIC Constitution yesterday, and apparently Bishop Blake has no power while the General Assembly is in session, it belongs to the Chair. So, if the Chair says the election is Tuesday, the election is Tuesday.I remember one of my friends being in love with Shun Pace and tried to get her to come to her event she was having with local gospel artists. At the time her fee for 12K and my friend said that was to much.Gospel singer James Fortune has entered a guilty plea for the felony charge of domestic violence, according to the Fort Bend County District Attorney’s office. Prosecutors say he was sentenced to ten years in prison on Tuesday but it was suspended for five years while he is under the supervision of the court.Tea Preparation - Tea preparation varies based on whether or not the tea is loose, or pre-bagged. Learn about tea preparation and loose tea preparation methods. Advertisement When ...For more information on The Well Experience, please visit www.TWEConference.com or follow the hashtag #TWE2019. To learn more about Pastor Keion Henderson visit www.KeionHenderson.com. To interview Pastor Keion or any of the speakers and artists, please contact Arnaecia Alridge at [email protected] or call 1 …No matter how hurt you are you don't put what happened in your marriage out in the streets. If the marriage is over and you've moved on then leave it alone. Deitrick just tanked his own career in gospel music. Everybody knows gospel artist sleep with each other, but you don't call names. That's the number one rule.I'll cut up the bitch, I'll gut the bitch (okay) Had to fuck up the bitch, man, fuck the bitch. Won't shoot her but I will gun-butt the bitch. When we say "Fuck the bitch" dick-up the bitch. She was stuck-up so my ****** stuck up …God is faithful to his word and He is with you through Every single trial and triumph. I am getting happy in this coffee shop; Singing for every mountain you brought me over- yes he’s bringing you through; for every trial You see me through; for Every blessing- I sing hallelujah for this I give you praise”.Having a warm cup of tea before bed can be comforting and can put an individual in the right state of mind before drifting off to sleep. Having a warm cup of tea before bed can be ...Lipstick causes messy laundry stains. Learn stain removal techniques of spot lifter and stain remover to get those lipstick and makeup stains out. Advertisement Lipstick looks lo...To my sister @Walter Hawkins, On behalf of ALL the FONTS who are a part of this Gospel Tea blog, we are sending you the warm and loving wishes for this holiday season! I know this will be a difficult holiday season for you, we your fellow members are sending you LOVE, PEACE and PRAYERS!!!!! ... Lipstick Alley Bloggers. I Want …Jan 19, 2024 · When Kierra did her second album they tried to mirror her look after Ciara. Supposedly they even had her dating that gospel rapper Lil' Iroc (Ciara was dating bow wow). When Dorinda did her second album they did pictures similar to Whitney Houston's preacher's wife cd. Even when J. Moss came out they tried to brand him as the Kanye West of gospel. God is faithful to his word and He is with you through Every single trial and triumph. I am getting happy in this coffee shop; Singing for every mountain you brought me over- yes he’s bringing you through; for every trial You see me through; for Every blessing- I sing hallelujah for this I give you praise”.Omgggggggggggggg . Can we please stop with the black women are angry. Black women in the pulpit and gospel are on fire and tbh half of them don’t have that many if any nonsense attached to their name unlike half of the men you speak.There’s always a chance that he could be doing this on his own will though. From the stuff I’ve seen him do, he SEEMS like he genuinely wants to do what he’s doing. The little “ministering” that he does really doesn’t seem forced at all. I could be wrong though. Even the grandson doesn’t seem like he’s being forced..